April 17, 2012

Tuesday Attitude: Curious…very curious.

“The curious paradox is that when I accept myself just as I am, then I can change.” C. Rogers

Suffering is a function of pain and resistance…and pain is a given. Acceptance.

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    Wicasa Yatapika April 17, 2012 Reply

    MD, this is a great topic and one in which I tend to explore at an in-depth level. Maybe because my experience has been that nothing “good” has come to me without some level of suffering. For me the most enlightening take on suffering has come from reading Nietzsche.
    “Are we not, with this tremendous objective of obliterating all the sharp edges of life, well on our way to turning mankind into sand? Sand! Small, soft, round unending sand! Is that your ideal, you heralds of the sympathetic affections?”

    Nietzsche had a very different take on suffering, and maybe it had to do with his own life experiences with it, than what was morally thought to be “good.” The question he asked was this, “Is suffering positively necessary for the cultivation of human excellence?”

    He went on to postulate that all enhancements to mankind were the result of great suffering.
    “Only great pain is the ultimate liberator of the spirit…I doubt that such pain makes us better; but I know it makes us more profound.” What he believed was that in certain individuals, in order to achieve their full potential, suffering was required; and why then is it only morally “good” to strive to attain happiness through the pursuit of pleasure, decrying suffering and seeking to alleviate it?

    What he foresaw as the outcome of this moral code was a culture with the internalized norms of avoiding suffering, and in favor of the seeking of pleasure would risk the prospect of moving toward excellence because the only morally accepted path would be to avoid suffering at all costs and to seek happiness by indulging in pleasures. And those with a pre-disposition to suffer-to-greatness? They would squander in self-pity and guilty pleasures…sound familiar?

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    Jan April 17, 2012 Reply

    JJ: Likes! Kinda like the concepts of duality in Utopia / Dystopia, Yin / Yang.

    The last P in the link Scott left brings it all around:
    “…you go through something really painful and agonizing and awful. At the end you’re like, ‘What did I just do?’ and then you look around the room and 15 other people are all on the floor panting too. It brings people together.”

    SD: when are you back in action?

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    Scott April 17, 2012 Reply

    First: didn’t mean to put a mindless post in the wake of a scholarly discussion…..Nietzsche on a Crossfit blog without at least 1 f bomb? Clearly in the 5 weeks of my absence you people have changed!

    Second: Hi Jan! Miss all you guys and got the clearance on Monday. I ripped a stress test …felt like Forrest Gump. Kids’ sports schedule is now my only roadblock but can’t wait to be back!

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    hoov April 18, 2012 Reply

    Love that Nietzsche, lets give credit to Aurthor Schopenhauer as well. Sometimes during extreme pain and stress our focus is most clear.

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